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Thom 11-23-2011 03:58 AM

Ok I am eing really confused. I know I know I know it doesnt take much to confuse me. But! I need some input on a subject that I have discussed with others a lot.
Just what is that subject, you ask?
Well I'm really glad that you asked me that cuz I'm going to tell you.
I have read in a lot of places that you should always put your snake in a different cage, viv, container or whatever to feed them. Now as most here know I have 1 big snake and 1 very BIG snake. I have had Hawn for over 4 years now and I have never taken her out of her viv to feed. I always feed her in the same place that she lives everyday. Now before you tell me Im nuts I will give my reasoning for this. After Hawn eats I do not disturb her for about a day. This being said if I fed her in diff location she would have to stay there for a day after she is done eating. Now jen has been bit by her once and thats it. no one else has even had a strike unless she was in her viv striking at the glass. When I do get her out I always use a probe stick to touch her head and keep her from striking me while I touch her with my free hand. I dont know that she would strike at me but when you are dealing with a snake over 12 feet long you have a few rules that you follow.
Now with Russell we have only had him for 2 weeks and just fed him the first time this past monday. I also fed him in his viv.
So tell me am I nuts or is there a method to my madness? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! :)

DBG 11-23-2011 04:16 AM

I've read that if you are consistant in feeding at the same place (aka, dinner area) then you should be alright. The key is feeding in the same location at all times.

I have always heard and read to feed out of the enclosure and have done that with Storm, and you know, she's still just a pip squeek. I've alway swaited 30 mins after she downs the meal before attempting to move her back into her cage and have never had an issue. Amazingly, she just doesn't go to the ground, she'll crawl back up the side of the enclosre just as I put the top on. She just doesn't want to lay and "idgest"

Is there a way to allow for a "feeding chamber" attached to the enclosures? That way you are "outside" but yethave a consistant feeding area?

Just a thought...

Thom 11-23-2011 04:23 AM

Well yeah there a re a number of ways to have a feeding chamber attached and you just have a door in it that goes into the regular (living) chamber. Then after they feed you just leave the door open so they can go back over on their own. After they go back over you just close the door when you notice.
But as I said before Hawn is well over 12 feet long. It makes it rather tough to just pick her up and move her around after she has eaten and she hasnt given me any problems at all. yet :)

Greg Nel 11-23-2011 08:28 AM

I have read every artical, point of view, opinion, scientific mumbo jumbo etc and believe there is no perfect answer. I have had Castro for 3 years now and he is 7 feet. I feed him in his enclosure and on rare occasions in a feeding box while i clean his tank. It makes no difference to him. He is docile either way. I far prefer feeding him in his own home. If you were to do everything the experts say you would feed in a seperate tank and then not disturbe them for 24 to 48 hours. Impossible.
Feed where its convenient to you!

Thom 11-23-2011 10:37 AM

What the experts say..... You know some people would call us here the experts. smiling

Sammyjo 11-23-2011 01:26 PM

I've always fed my ball python,which I do understand is not near the size of your Hawn, outside her viv in a cardboard box. When you feed them outside their viv, they do not know what to expect when you open the viv and won't go instantly into feeding mode. After Snickers is done feeding I pick her up, hold her and let her crawl around for awhile before putting her back in her viv. I've never had a problem except she doesn't want to go back in her viv.

Thom 11-23-2011 01:32 PM

Oh I totally understand Sammy. Problem is that hawn weighs in at about 45 lbs now and Russell (redtail) weighs in at around 20 pounds. Im not positive with either. We just got Russell and havent weighed him yet and its been a month since I weighed hawn. What I do know though is that I have never had Hawn even seem like she wanted to strike me when I get her out except for a few years back she was striking at everything she seen. We got her past that problem though.
If I fed Hawn in a cardboard box it would have to be a Fridge box. lol She is well over 12 feet long

lovesnuffles 11-23-2011 01:34 PM

I feed my older girls in their vivs. So no, you're not crazy. I know how to pick them up so that they distinguish feeding from handling. I feed the little ones in separate containers though.

Thom 11-23-2011 01:39 PM

hmmmmmmmm Ok Loves appreciate the input. As for not being crazy though? Come on girl you dont know me that well. LOLOL

lovesnuffles 11-23-2011 01:46 PM

Lol, I never said you weren't crazy!! You keep snakes! According to Animal Planet and half the world's population, we're ALL crazy ;)

Oh wait ... I did say you weren't crazy ... I take it back!

Thom 11-23-2011 01:48 PM

Smiling Thank You

Thom 11-23-2011 01:52 PM

LOLOL I was going to show you your quote saying that you said I wasnt crazy but I thought oh what the heck as long as I know Im crazy thats all that counts. Right? lolol

lovesnuffles 11-23-2011 01:57 PM

LOL! Yes, all that counts is that you know you're crazy! The rest of the world will just have to be surprised!

Greg Nel 11-24-2011 05:38 AM

Thats exactly my point regarding the reference to experts. There are those that write books and those that share their daily experiences of herping. With your 25 years and Snuffles 5000 plus posts its your expertise i will rely on. You both feed in your vivs with no problems and i have done the same with my snakes and had no issues.

lovesnuffles 11-24-2011 01:25 PM

Almost 6000 :) ... Just throwing that out there ;) LOL ... How on earth did I possibly get so many posts!?

Thom 11-24-2011 11:24 PM

Good thing the number of posts are listed in the corner huh Suffles? Otherwise how would you know how many posts you have? smiling
Oh BTW....

lovesnuffles 11-24-2011 11:37 PM

Lol, I just noticed I've been here for four years, too. WOW! I must really love you guys to stick around THIS long! :P

Greg Nel 11-25-2011 09:37 AM

I am so glad i was able to elighten the world with all these posts and show how much free time you have which begs the question as to when you had the opportunity to ............. your 2 little herpers. Oops i forgot you mentioned you use a laptop.
PS thanks for sharing so much valuable info with us all. If you interested go to your user CP and under your stats it will show you every thread you started!

lovesnuffles 11-25-2011 05:13 PM

LOL Greg! Snuffles is a multi-tasker

DBG 11-27-2011 01:57 AM

I find it interesting that so many of you have been bit or nipped during feeding. I have never had that happen to me. I don't know if it's my technique or what.

Basically here is what I do: I put the warm prey in Storms feeding bin. I have a heat pad underneath it so that the bottom will warm up and not be cold to the touch when I place her in. I actually have a petrie dish where I place the mouse on.

Then after washing hands again (if I'm doing this alone and my son isn't helping) I'll come back into the room and get storm out of her enclosure. I place her gently in front of the prey, literally a few inches away, and she just goes for it, not stricking anymore, just basically slithers off my hands as I gently place her completely in the bin. Put the lid on and off I go.

Once the prey is taken care of, I turn the heat pad off and let her sit for 30 mins or so digesting it before putting her back into the enclosure. Again, washed my hands thoroughly. Picked her up, she has never taken interst at my hands even though her head is around my fingers sometimes. I gently place her back into her enclosure. As I put the screen top on, she crawls up against the side of the enclosure and she'll stay in that position for a few minutes checking out the enclosure top (as she does sometimes when I just place her back in after handling).

Have been doing this since I had her at 6 wks of age.

Greg Nel 11-27-2011 05:40 AM

You're a lucky man. Keep that post for future reference. The day is comming.

Thom 11-27-2011 02:53 PM

Just remember when you think she is just checking out the top of her enclosure after you put her in it, she is actually mentally taking note as to how long it is taking you to put the top on and if she has enough time to make a break for it! lol
Houdini Im tellin ya! lol

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